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Olympus Om-d off-camera wink without triggering built-in flash?
Hi!
I am a new proud owner of an E-m10 mk II, and I accept a question regarding the flash. Been using an EOS 400d earlier, but never used whatever flash besides the built in ane and so not sure how this master/slave/commander thing works.
I'grand trying to Google this but unclear what it all means (TTL, manual, slave, RF/RC etc), and what I need to solve my problem:
Is it possible to burn off a wireless wink (slave?) without using the on-camera Flash at the same time?
In my heed I would attach something (transmitter) to the hot shoe, and it would instead of firing built in wink send signal to the wireless wink (slave) and it would fire off. Then I could simply place it nearby and it would lite up the scene plenty. Possible? What words should I google for?
Trying not to blind the kids indoor, but still be able to use a diffuse wink upwardly at the ceiling to proceed ISO down in the evenings. Besides bad the built-in isn't tiltable upwards, that might have worked satisfactory. I notwithstanding desire to be lightweight and portable, so using a mounted flash feels bulky. Although I would have to carry the flash with me if I become somewhere only home, so it would take to exist small.
Perchance information technology would work to attach a flash to the hot shoe and merely use that, but they all seem about equally big every bit the camera itself (which makes sense equally they need to exercise a good task), and if I shoot portrait it would non bounce on the ceiling...
Is there a smarter fashion to solve my take-pictures-of-fast-kids-without-good-low-cal-dilemma?
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Bassam Guy • Veteran Member • Posts: 3,662
Re: Olympus Om-d off-photographic camera wink without triggering built-in flash?
filigranen wrote:
Hi!
I am a new proud owner of an E-m10 mk II, and I have a question regarding the flash. Been using an EOS 400d earlier, but never used any flash too the built in one so not sure how this chief/slave/commander thing works.
I'm trying to Google this but unclear what information technology all ways (TTL, manual, slave, RF/RC etc), and what I demand to solve my problem:
Is it possible to fire off a wireless flash (slave?) without using the on-camera Flash at the same fourth dimension?
In my mind I would attach something (transmitter) to the hot shoe, and it would instead of firing built in flash ship betoken to the wireless wink (slave) and information technology would fire off. Then I could just identify it nearby and information technology would light up the scene enough. Possible? What words should I google for?
Trying not to blind the kids indoor, but still be able to use a diffuse wink upwards at the ceiling to keep ISO down in the evenings. Too bad the built-in isn't tiltable upward, that might have worked satisfactory. I still want to exist lightweight and portable, so using a mounted flash feels beefy. Although I would have to carry the flash with me if I go somewhere only home, then it would have to exist minor.
Peradventure it would piece of work to adhere a flash to the hot shoe and just use that, but they all seem almost as big as the camera itself (which makes sense every bit they need to practise a skillful chore), and if I shoot portrait information technology would not bounce on the ceiling...
Is at that place a smarter way to solve my take-pictures-of-fast-kids-without-good-light-dilemma?
Wow, this got longer than intended.
Besides, awesome forum/site, tons of useful data and great tips!
Godox makes radio controlled devices like you mentioned.
I believe on your Eastward-M10 ii, the on photographic camera flash triggers the off camera flash merely does not wink during the exposure.
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larsbc • Forum Pro • Posts: 17,937
Re: Olympus Om-d off-camera flash without triggering built-in wink?
filigranen wrote:
Hi!
I am a new proud owner of an Due east-m10 mk 2, and I have a question regarding the flash. Been using an EOS 400d earlier, just never used any flash besides the built in one and then non certain how this master/slave/commander matter works.
I'm trying to Google this but unclear what it all means (TTL, manual, slave, RF/RC etc), and what I demand to solve my trouble:
Is it possible to fire off a wireless flash (slave?) without using the on-camera Wink at the same time?
I oasis't done this in a long time (since my Nikon days) merely you could put a visible calorie-free filter in front end of the pop-upwardly wink. Nikon sold a small accessory that did this but you could too employ an unexposed just candy piece of slide moving picture, also.
For micro 4 thirds, I recently bought a Godox transmitter and wink.
Transmitter https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/production/1348951-REG/godox_x1t_o_x1tc_ttl_remote_controller.html?sts=pi&pim=Y
Flash https://world wide web.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1348950-REG/godox_tt685o_tt685f_ttl_camera_speedlite.html
Radio-controlled flash has more range and, IMO, is much more reliable. Downside, of class, is that you need to put a transmitter in the hotshoe. BTW, some Godox flash units too have radio transmitters built into them every bit well. Actually, I think the one I bought (TT685O) does too.
The Godox systems seems pretty reliable although I haven't used it a LOT, nonetheless. Just for some night photos of frogs and insects.
Trying not to blind the kids indoor, but even so be able to employ a diffuse flash up at the ceiling to go along ISO down in the evenings. Too bad the built-in isn't tiltable upwardly, that might have worked satisfactory.
Olympus has a small hotshoe-powered flash that can act equally a master and likewise swivels/tilts. Information technology's the FL-LM3. Not sure if your OM10 can drive information technology, though (information technology needs a power contact on the hotshoe and not all m43 cameras have this).
Is there a smarter way to solve my take-pictures-of-fast-kids-without-expert-calorie-free-dilemma?
Flash is the most reliable mode, IMO, plus your photos will look pro-level once y'all get good and balancing and modifying the light. I strongly recommend the gratis, online course at Strobist: https://strobist.blogspot.com/2006/03/lighting-101.html
Oh, Strobist wrote this about flash units: https://strobist.blogspot.com/2014/09/choosing-lights.html
rsmithgi • Senior Fellow member • Posts: 2,913
Re: Olympus Om-d off-photographic camera flash without triggering congenital-in flash?
filigranen wrote:
Hullo!
I am a new proud owner of an Due east-m10 mk 2, and I have a question regarding the flash. Been using an EOS 400d before, but never used whatever flash besides the congenital in one so not sure how this chief/slave/commander thing works.
I'm trying to Google this only unclear what it all ways (TTL, manual, slave, RF/RC etc), and what I demand to solve my problem:
Is it possible to burn off a wireless wink (slave?) without using the on-camera Flash at the same time?
In my mind I would attach something (transmitter) to the hot shoe, and information technology would instead of firing congenital in wink send signal to the wireless wink (slave) and it would fire off. So I could merely identify it nearby and it would light up the scene enough. Possible? What words should I google for?
Trying not to blind the kids indoor, but however be able to utilize a lengthened flash up at the ceiling to keep ISO down in the evenings. Besides bad the built-in isn't tiltable upwards, that might have worked satisfactory. I even so desire to exist lightweight and portable, so using a mounted flash feels bulky. Although I would have to carry the flash with me if I go somewhere but dwelling house, and then it would take to be small.
Perhaps it would work to adhere a flash to the hot shoe and just utilise that, but they all seem almost equally big as the camera itself (which makes sense as they need to exercise a adept task), and if I shoot portrait it would not bounce on the ceiling...
Is there a smarter way to solve my take-pictures-of-fast-kids-without-good-lite-dilemma?
Wow, this got longer than intended.
Also, awesome forum/site, tons of useful information and great tips!
You lot have already gotten ii good answers, but I'll add together that Godox makes both a very pocket-sized flash (TT350o) and a pretty big flash (TT685o). They do make a few others but those 2 are the almost commonly talked about.
If you lot are using the flash exclusively off camera, then purchase the bigger, more powerful flash. If you lot plan on using information technology on camera, and then the smaller wink is meliorate counterbalanced on the smaller cameras. I own both and the XPro-O receiver. All piece of work very well.
A bit about the Godox naming: The letter at the terminate of each model name signifies the brands that the flash and transmitter are compatible with. ("o" for Olympus and Panasonic). Make sure you order the correct version.
Also Adorama has a compatible line of equipment called Flashpoint. I picked up a refurbished Flashpoint Zoom Mini (the TT350o equivalent for very piddling money).
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Seedeich • Veteran Member • Posts: three,032
Re: Olympus Om-d off-camera flash without triggering built-in flash?
Welcome to the wonderful globe of flash!
Actually there are quite a few ways to do what yous want to practice:
Trying not to blind the kids indoor, but however exist able to utilize a lengthened flash up at the ceiling to go on ISO downwards in the evenings.
I would propose, y'all keep it uncomplicated and lightweight.
My favourite 'small' flash on the E-M5ii is the Nissin i40. This flash can tilt and swivel and has a very simple user interface and enough ability to bounciness off the ceiling in normal living rooms.
Take a look at how Neil vN uses on camera flash.
https://neilvn.com/tangents/flash-photography-techniques/billowy-wink/
You could also get the off-camera flash way. Simply for that you would need a trigger on the camera, i or two flashes, light stands, modifiers like umbrellas or softboxes (if you don't want to bounce the flash).
The Godox system would exist an inexpensive choice: xPro O trigger, TT685 O flash.
The small-scale TT350 O flash is mainly usable on camera and not strong enough for off camera with umbrellas or softboxes.
I use both on and off camera flash, only for your intended use, my approach is the Nissin i40 because of the simplicity. Often I also use it with a slice of white foam as a bounce card instead of the tiny pull-out menu of the flash.
Re: Olympus Om-d off-camera flash without triggering congenital-in flash?
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filigranen wrote:
Howdy!
I am a new proud owner of an E-m10 mk II, and I have a question regarding the flash. Been using an EOS 400d before, but never used whatsoever wink likewise the built in one and so not sure how this master/slave/commander affair works.
I'm trying to Google this but unclear what it all ways (TTL, manual, slave, RF/RC etc), and what I need to solve my problem:
Is it possible to fire off a wireless flash (slave?) without using the on-photographic camera Flash at the same fourth dimension?
In my listen I would attach something (transmitter) to the hot shoe, and it would instead of firing built in flash transport bespeak to the wireless flash (slave) and it would fire off. Then I could just place information technology nearby and it would light upward the scene plenty. Possible? What words should I google for?
Trying not to bullheaded the kids indoor, but yet exist able to use a diffuse flash up at the ceiling to go on ISO down in the evenings. Besides bad the built-in isn't tiltable upward, that might have worked satisfactory. I however desire to be lightweight and portable, so using a mounted flash feels bulky. Although I would have to carry the flash with me if I go somewhere but home, and so it would have to exist small.
Perhaps information technology would work to adhere a wink to the hot shoe and just employ that, but they all seem nigh as large as the camera itself (which makes sense as they demand to do a good job), and if I shoot portrait it would non bounce on the ceiling...
Is there a smarter manner to solve my have-pictures-of-fast-kids-without-good-light-dilemma?
Wow, this got longer than intended.
Also, awesome forum/site, tons of useful information and great tips!
You have several options.
1. RC mode. This is the optical wireless system used by Olympus (and Panasonic) with compatible flashes (such every bit the Olympus FL600). The remote flash is controlled past the on-camera flash through a series of pulses by the wink. These are non very brilliant, compared to the actual flash used for exposure. In the RC control panel on the camera, you set the remote wink to TTL and the on-camera wink to OFF.
2. Radio trigger. Well-nigh whatever flash can be remotely fired past a radio trigger; these are cheap, merely you should get one that is compatible with Olympus/Panasonic if such distinctions are available, to ensure the trigger tin wake the remote wink from slumber. Yous can set the remote wink to Auto, set the aperture and ISO you are using on the camera, and the flash volition auto expose to match the photographic camera settings.
3. Radio TTL trigger. There are ii options here. Get a flash/transmitter that is compatible with Olympus/Panasonic TTL and then you can utilize the flash in TTL way either on camera or off (using the TTL transmitter). There are a couple of options; Godox, Nissin, Cactus, and Olympus. Personally, I use Nissin flashes (i60A, Di700A) and transmitter (AIR1); they work well and were the first to support Olympus/Panasonic with radio TTL. Many are using Godox now because y'all can too get more powerful strobes every bit well as speedlights. Olympus has finally released a radio TTL trigger/flash, but they are very expensive (just atmospheric condition resistant). And Cactus has a trigger (V6 II) and flash (RF60X) that is compatible also.
The other option is to get a pair of Cactus V6 Two triggers, and so any Olympus/Panasonic TTL flash can exist used in remote TTL mode (I have a number of Olympus FL-50/FL-50R flashes, and tin use them in remote TTL mode with these triggers. This could be the cheapest solution, although the simplest is a transmitter with flash that has built-in receiver.
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Re: Olympus Om-d off-photographic camera flash without triggering congenital-in flash?
filigranen wrote:
Hi!
I am a new proud possessor of an East-m10 mk Ii, and I have a question regarding the flash. Been using an EOS 400d before, merely never used any flash likewise the built in one then not certain how this master/slave/commander thing works.
I'm trying to Google this but unclear what it all means (TTL, manual, slave, RF/RC etc), and what I need to solve my problem:
Is it possible to fire off a wireless flash (slave?) without using the on-camera Flash at the same time?
The Olympus way is via the RC manner, they telephone call it "wireless" simply it is optical where the master flash on the camera sends a bunch of low powered pulses to set the slave flash(es) and and then a final low powered pulse when the exposure starts to finally trigger the slave(s). The control pulses plus the pre exposure TTL test pulses all add up to potential blinks in subjects. And then a way to get a single flash pulse is best.
That would hateful flash in transmission mode and few examination shots to set the power level, advantage is no pre-flash so no blinking. That can be achieved by cable between photographic camera and flash (use a Canon wink extender cable as they have the contacts in the correct places and are cheaper than Olympus cables, the contacts are needed for setting flash zoom and TTL if you determine to use that) or of class as suggested, dive into a radio trigger setup and free yourself from cables and pre-flashes by using it again as a slave transmission (prepare the power) flash.
Regards.... Guy
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Re: Olympus Om-d off-camera flash without triggering built-in flash?
Guy Parsons wrote:
filigranen wrote:
Hi!
I am a new proud possessor of an E-m10 mk 2, and I have a question regarding the flash. Been using an EOS 400d before, simply never used any flash as well the built in one so not sure how this main/slave/commander thing works.
I'm trying to Google this but unclear what it all means (TTL, transmission, slave, RF/RC etc), and what I need to solve my problem:
Is information technology possible to fire off a wireless flash (slave?) without using the on-camera Flash at the same fourth dimension?
The Olympus way is via the RC mode, they call it "wireless" but it is optical where the principal flash on the camera sends a bunch of low powered pulses to fix upward the slave flash(es) and and then a final low powered pulse when the exposure starts to finally trigger the slave(south). The control pulses plus the pre exposure TTL test pulses all add up to potential blinks in subjects. So a mode to get a single flash pulse is all-time.
That would mean wink in manual mode and few test shots to prepare the power level, advantage is no pre-flash so no blinking. That tin be achieved by cable between camera and flash (utilise a Canon flash extender cable as they take the contacts in the right places and are cheaper than Olympus cables, the contacts are needed for setting flash zoom and TTL if you decide to use that) or of form as suggested, dive into a radio trigger setup and free yourself from cables and pre-flashes by using information technology again every bit a slave manual (set the power) flash.
Regards.... Guy
Auto flash mode does not utilize pre-flashes, and does not require test shots.
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Re: Olympus Om-d off-camera wink without triggering built-in flash?
john isaacs wrote:
Automobile flash mode does not use pre-flashes, and does non require exam shots.
RC modes of whatever blazon and any TTL auto flash modes always use pre-flashes to test for setting flash power/ISO. The Olympus cameras at to the lowest degree fire two TTL pre-flash pulses very close together before the exposure and that is what makes many people glimmer for the chief flash during the exposure.
It is ONLY the transmission wink mode that fires a unmarried pulse at exposure time and none before that. But needs adjusting past experiment of grade.
Regards..... Guy
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larsbc • Forum Pro • Posts: 17,937
Re: Olympus Om-d off-photographic camera flash without triggering congenital-in flash?
Guy Parsons wrote:
john isaacs wrote:
Auto flash way does not use pre-flashes, and does not crave test shots.
RC modes of any type and any TTL car flash modes always use pre-flashes to examination for setting flash power/ISO. The Olympus cameras at to the lowest degree fire 2 TTL pre-flash pulses very close together before the exposure and that is what makes many people blink for the main flash during the exposure.
It is Simply the manual flash mode that fires a unmarried pulse at exposure fourth dimension and none before that. Merely needs adjusting past experiment of course.
Regards..... Guy
Guy, I recall John is referring to the (Car) mode which uses the older auto-thyristor type of exposure control where the flash fires and then quenches when its ain light sensor determines that the scene received sufficient lite. There is no need for a pre-flash for that older style of auto wink command but in exchange you lose the more authentic through-the-lens (TTL) metering.
Re: Olympus Om-d off-photographic camera flash without triggering built-in flash?
larsbc wrote:
Guy, I call back John is referring to the (Auto) mode which uses the older auto-thyristor type of exposure command where the flash fires then quenches when its own light sensor determines that the scene received sufficient light. There is no demand for a pre-wink for that older style of automobile flash control simply in exchange you lose the more than accurate through-the-lens (TTL) metering.
Yes, of grade. Lamentable. I was away on another planet it seems.
Reminder to self:- Flashes have a few modes.....
- TTL, pre-flashes to mensurate reflectance and ready power, and may change photographic camera settings and ISO. The pre-flashes are very close in timing to the principal wink and then many people see it equally only ane flash.
- Manual, no pre-flash, merely fires with a selected power setting. User needs to adjust power to adjust aperture/ISO/distance.
- Auto, no pre-flash, flash (ideally) communicates with torso to learn ISO, aperture and possibly altitude, and then fires and turns off the pulse when enough light has been seen by the flash to be bounced off the field of study.
- Add to all that the choice of using first or second curtain sync.
- FP mode or HSS mode where the flash can maintain a string of closely spaced flash pulses to evenly illuminate the sensor during the time the higher speed focal aeroplane shutter slit takes to traverse the sensor surface.
- RC mode where via optical control pulses can control whatever of the above modes with slave flash(es).
Regards..... Guy
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Re: Olympus Om-d off-photographic camera flash without triggering built-in flash?
I accept been using RC wink manner for years and are very happy with the results. Plainly there are limitations but as long every bit you work within what is possible the performance is peachy. Using multiple flash units in groups too works bully in RC manner.....
For example 1 simple technique...... the challenge is the distance betwixt camera and flash unit. With the FL600 1 can turn the flash "receiver" to face the camera and the low-cal to face the bailiwick or indirect position separately......
You will need the camera mini flash accessory fitted to the photographic camera when using RC. On the other manus the EM10 Ii has a build-in flash which you will use. When using the camera build in wink in RC mode its non equally intense as when using information technology as main flash......should non upshot children....
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Re: Olympus Om-d off-camera flash without triggering built-in flash?
Bassam Guy wrote:
filigranen wrote:
Howdy!
I am a new proud owner of an E-m10 mk II, and I have a question regarding the flash. Been using an EOS 400d before, only never used any flash besides the congenital in i so not sure how this master/slave/commander affair works.
I'm trying to Google this just unclear what it all ways (TTL, transmission, slave, RF/RC etc), and what I need to solve my problem:
Is it possible to fire off a wireless wink (slave?) without using the on-camera Flash at the same time?
In my mind I would attach something (transmitter) to the hot shoe, and it would instead of firing built in flash transport signal to the wireless flash (slave) and information technology would fire off. Then I could only place information technology nearby and it would light up the scene enough. Possible? What words should I google for?
Trying non to blind the kids indoor, only notwithstanding be able to use a diffuse flash up at the ceiling to continue ISO down in the evenings. Too bad the built-in isn't tiltable upwards, that might accept worked satisfactory. I still want to be lightweight and portable, and so using a mounted flash feels beefy. Although I would have to conduct the wink with me if I go somewhere but home, so it would have to be pocket-size.
Perhaps information technology would work to attach a flash to the hot shoe and but employ that, but they all seem most as big as the photographic camera itself (which makes sense as they demand to practise a good job), and if I shoot portrait it would not bounce on the ceiling...
Is there a smarter mode to solve my take-pictures-of-fast-kids-without-good-light-dilemma?
Wow, this got longer than intended.
Besides, awesome forum/site, tons of useful data and great tips!
Godox makes radio controlled devices like you mentioned.
I believe on your E-M10 2, the on camera wink triggers the off photographic camera flash simply does non flash during the exposure.
Oh, so I only purchase a slave and the photographic camera sends the signal if I set it to RC style on, without the built in firing? Sounds perfect.
Re: Olympus Om-d off-camera flash without triggering built-in flash?
larsbc wrote:
filigranen wrote:
Hi!
I am a new proud possessor of an Eastward-m10 mk II, and I have a question regarding the flash. Been using an EOS 400d earlier, but never used any wink likewise the built in one so not sure how this master/slave/commander thing works.
I'thousand trying to Google this merely unclear what information technology all means (TTL, manual, slave, RF/RC etc), and what I demand to solve my problem:
Is information technology possible to fire off a wireless flash (slave?) without using the on-camera Flash at the same fourth dimension?
I haven't done this in a long time (since my Nikon days) but you lot could put a visible light filter in forepart of the pop-up flash. Nikon sold a small accessory that did this but you could also use an unexposed but processed piece of slide film, besides.
For micro 4 thirds, I recently bought a Godox transmitter and flash.
Transmitter https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1348951-REG/godox_x1t_o_x1tc_ttl_remote_controller.html?sts=pi&pim=Y
Flash https://world wide web.bhphotovideo.com/c/production/1348950-REG/godox_tt685o_tt685f_ttl_camera_speedlite.html
Radio-controlled flash has more range and, IMO, is much more than reliable. Downside, of course, is that you lot need to put a transmitter in the hotshoe. BTW, some Godox flash units also have radio transmitters built into them equally well. Actually, I think the one I bought (TT685O) does equally well.
The Godox systems seems pretty reliable although I oasis't used information technology a LOT, yet. Just for some night photos of frogs and insects.
This ofc means a bulkier camera, simply perchance more versatile than placing the flash on the photographic camera. Might go for a smaller wink though.
Trying not to blind the kids indoor, but all the same be able to use a diffuse flash upwardly at the ceiling to continue ISO downwards in the evenings. Too bad the built-in isn't tiltable upward, that might have worked satisfactory.
Olympus has a small hotshoe-powered flash that can act every bit a master and also swivels/tilts. It's the FL-LM3. Not sure if your OM10 can bulldoze it, though (information technology needs a power contact on the hotshoe and not all m43 cameras have this).
Will look into this farther, guess it is as small as information technology gets.
Is there a smarter style to solve my take-pictures-of-fast-kids-without-good-lite-dilemma?
Flash is the about reliable manner, IMO, plus your photos volition wait pro-level in one case you become good and balancing and modifying the light. I strongly recommend the costless, online course at Strobist: https://strobist.blogspot.com/2006/03/lighting-101.html
Oh, Strobist wrote this about flash units: https://strobist.blogspot.com/2014/09/choosing-lights.html
Yeah, flash would requite better photos than iso 8000, only it needs to exist affordable and simple likewise. Bought a compact m43 camera for a reason.
Thanks for your tips!
Re: Olympus Om-d off-camera flash without triggering built-in wink?
Seedeich wrote:
Welcome to the wonderful world of wink!
Actually in that location are quite a few means to do what you want to do:
Trying not to blind the kids indoor, just still be able to utilise a lengthened flash upwardly at the ceiling to proceed ISO down in the evenings.I would suggest, you lot keep it elementary and lightweight.
My favourite 'small-scale' wink on the E-M5ii is the Nissin i40. This flash can tilt and swivel and has a very elementary user interface and plenty power to bounce off the ceiling in normal living rooms.
Accept a look at how Neil vN uses on camera flash.
https://neilvn.com/tangents/wink-photography-techniques/bouncing-flash/You could besides go the off-camera flash fashion. But for that you lot would demand a trigger on the camera, i or two flashes, light stands, modifiers like umbrellas or softboxes (if y'all don't want to bounce the flash).
The Godox system would exist an inexpensive pick: xPro O trigger, TT685 O flash.
The small TT350 O flash is mainly usable on camera and non potent enough for off camera with umbrellas or softboxes.
I use both on and off photographic camera flash, just for your intended utilise, my approach is the Nissin i40 because of the simplicity. Ofttimes I also employ it with a piece of white cream as a bounce bill of fare instead of the tiny pull-out card of the flash.
Given my use case I don't retrieve I volition need to create a full photo studio to shoot my kids while playing on the floor.
Thanks for the link though, corking tips on in that location!
Re: Olympus Om-d off-photographic camera flash without triggering built-in wink?
john isaacs wrote:
filigranen wrote:
Hi!
I am a new proud possessor of an East-m10 mk II, and I have a question regarding the flash. Been using an EOS 400d before, but never used any flash besides the built in one so not sure how this primary/slave/commander affair works.
I'm trying to Google this but unclear what it all ways (TTL, manual, slave, RF/RC etc), and what I need to solve my problem:
Is it possible to fire off a wireless flash (slave?) without using the on-camera Flash at the same time?
In my listen I would attach something (transmitter) to the hot shoe, and it would instead of firing congenital in flash send signal to the wireless wink (slave) and information technology would burn off. Then I could simply identify it nearby and it would light upwards the scene enough. Possible? What words should I google for?
Trying not to blind the kids indoor, but still exist able to use a diffuse flash upwardly at the ceiling to keep ISO down in the evenings. Also bad the congenital-in isn't tiltable upwardly, that might have worked satisfactory. I yet want to be lightweight and portable, so using a mounted wink feels bulky. Although I would have to carry the flash with me if I get somewhere simply home, so it would have to be small.
Perhaps information technology would piece of work to attach a flash to the hot shoe and just apply that, but they all seem almost every bit big as the camera itself (which makes sense as they need to practise a proficient task), and if I shoot portrait it would not bounciness on the ceiling...
Is there a smarter way to solve my take-pictures-of-fast-kids-without-good-light-dilemma?
Wow, this got longer than intended.
Also, awesome forum/site, tons of useful information and great tips!
Y'all have several options.
i. RC way. This is the optical wireless system used by Olympus (and Panasonic) with compatible flashes (such every bit the Olympus FL600). The remote flash is controlled by the on-camera flash through a series of pulses by the flash. These are non very brilliant, compared to the actual flash used for exposure. In the RC control panel on the photographic camera, you ready the remote flash to TTL and the on-camera flash to OFF.
2. Radio trigger. Nearly any flash can be remotely fired by a radio trigger; these are cheap, but you should go one that is compatible with Olympus/Panasonic if such distinctions are bachelor, to ensure the trigger can wake the remote flash from slumber. You can set the remote flash to Auto, set up the aperture and ISO y'all are using on the camera, and the wink volition auto expose to friction match the photographic camera settings.
three. Radio TTL trigger. There are two options here. Get a flash/transmitter that is compatible with Olympus/Panasonic TTL and so you tin can use the flash in TTL mode either on photographic camera or off (using the TTL transmitter). There are a couple of options; Godox, Nissin, Cactus, and Olympus. Personally, I use Nissin flashes (i60A, Di700A) and transmitter (AIR1); they piece of work well and were the showtime to support Olympus/Panasonic with radio TTL. Many are using Godox now because yous can too get more powerful strobes as well as speedlights. Olympus has finally released a radio TTL trigger/flash, only they are very expensive (simply weather resistant). And Cactus has a trigger (V6 II) and wink (RF60X) that is uniform likewise.
The other option is to become a pair of Cactus V6 Ii triggers, and then whatever Olympus/Panasonic TTL flash tin can be used in remote TTL mode (I have a number of Olympus FL-50/FL-50R flashes, and tin utilize them in remote TTL manner with these triggers. This could exist the cheapest solution, although the simplest is a transmitter with flash that has built-in receiver.
Option two sounds like what I desire, but it means I take to manually set the flash? Not very good for changing atmospheric condition indoor.
Selection 3 is the way to become then I suppose, though I imagine it would stretch the budget. Is information technology the TTL that makes it exercise auto exposure based on camera settings? If and then I have something to filter on to rule stuff out.
I have seen "manual flash", I guess that means exactly that. Camera is gear up to say ISO 200, f 3.v and ane/200, and the flash needs to be set to that too, manually? TTL does information technology for me?
I will have to read up on the terminology.
Re: Olympus Om-d off-camera wink without triggering congenital-in flash?
larsbc wrote:
Guy Parsons wrote:
john isaacs wrote:
Car wink fashion does not apply pre-flashes, and does non require test shots.
RC modes of any type and any TTL auto flash modes always utilise pre-flashes to test for setting flash power/ISO. The Olympus cameras at to the lowest degree fire two TTL pre-flash pulses very close together earlier the exposure and that is what makes many people glimmer for the main flash during the exposure.
It is Only the manual flash mode that fires a single pulse at exposure fourth dimension and none before that. Only needs adjusting by experiment of course.
Regards..... Guy
Guy, I think John is referring to the (Auto) mode which uses the older auto-thyristor type of exposure command where the flash fires and so quenches when its ain calorie-free sensor determines that the scene received sufficient calorie-free. There is no need for a pre-flash for that older style of auto wink control simply in commutation you lose the more authentic through-the-lens (TTL) metering.
So, basically the RC mode would exist useless for my use instance, or can I set this auto style? Any disadvantages?
Re: Olympus Om-d off-camera flash without triggering built-in flash?
Cheers for all the replies so far!
It sounds to me similar I need either a flash mounted to the hot shoe, or a transmitter mounted and a TTL flash someplace else. Both with their pris and cons.
What would I await for spec wise, what determines how bright information technology is, if information technology is compatible with my camera etc? I.eastward. what should I filter on when buying? I dont want to buy as well big or too pocket-sized, or something that doesnt have useful role X or Y.
Any good links to assistance me get to grips with the terminology of all this? Google gives varying result, as always. I have gotten a few already, volition read through those!
Re: Olympus Om-d off-camera wink without triggering built-in flash?
VideoPic wrote:
I accept been using RC flash mode for years and are very happy with the results. Manifestly in that location are limitations but every bit long as you work inside what is possible the functioning is nifty. Using multiple flash units in groups also works great in RC way.....
For example ane simple technique...... the challenge is the distance between camera and flash unit. With the FL600 one tin turn the flash "receiver" to face the camera and the low-cal to confront the subject or indirect position separately......
You lot will need the camera mini flash accompaniment fitted to the photographic camera when using RC. On the other paw the EM10 II has a build-in wink which you volition use. When using the camera build in flash in RC mode its not as intense equally when using information technology as main wink......should not effect children...
The built in flash has to really be powered down and then. It's like the AF low-cal, it'south unusable because people tend to blink or make faces.
It sounded in Guy's post that RC strobes short flashes, this sounds annoying also even if they are mild, but then again I guess information technology works since the feature exists. I will have to try information technology for real to see how information technology behaves.
Multiple flash units sound overly complicated for my use case, only once yous get started information technology tends to spiral, so you never know.
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Re: Olympus Om-d off-camera flash without triggering congenital-in wink?
filigranen wrote:
larsbc wrote:
filigranen wrote:
Hi!
I am a new proud owner of an Eastward-m10 mk Ii, and I have a question regarding the flash. Been using an EOS 400d earlier, simply never used any flash likewise the congenital in one then not sure how this master/slave/commander thing works.
I'm trying to Google this but unclear what it all means (TTL, transmission, slave, RF/RC etc), and what I need to solve my problem:
Is it possible to burn off a wireless wink (slave?) without using the on-photographic camera Flash at the same time?
I haven't washed this in a long time (since my Nikon days) simply you could put a visible calorie-free filter in front of the pop-upwards flash. Nikon sold a small accompaniment that did this but you could besides use an unexposed simply processed piece of slide flick, too.
For micro four thirds, I recently bought a Godox transmitter and flash.
Transmitter https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1348951-REG/godox_x1t_o_x1tc_ttl_remote_controller.html?sts=pi&pim=Y
Flash https://world wide web.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1348950-REG/godox_tt685o_tt685f_ttl_camera_speedlite.html
Radio-controlled flash has more range and, IMO, is much more reliable. Downside, of course, is that you need to put a transmitter in the hotshoe. BTW, some Godox wink units also have radio transmitters built into them every bit well. Really, I think the ane I bought (TT685O) does as well.
The Godox systems seems pretty reliable although I oasis't used it a LOT, still. Simply for some night photos of frogs and insects.
This ofc means a bulkier camera, but perhaps more versatile than placing the wink on the camera. Might go for a smaller flash though.
Yes, equally someone else mentioned, there is a smaller Godox than the one I mentioned.
Trying not to bullheaded the kids indoor, but still be able to utilize a diffuse wink upwards at the ceiling to proceed ISO down in the evenings. Too bad the congenital-in isn't tiltable upwardly, that might have worked satisfactory.
Olympus has a minor hotshoe-powered flash that can human action as a master and too swivels/tilts. Information technology's the FL-LM3. Not sure if your OM10 tin drive it, though (it needs a power contact on the hotshoe and not all m43 cameras take this).
Volition look into this farther, guess information technology is as small equally it gets.
Is there a smarter way to solve my take-pictures-of-fast-kids-without-good-light-dilemma?
Wink is the nigh reliable way, IMO, plus your photos will look pro-level once you lot go adept and balancing and modifying the light. I strongly recommend the free, online course at Strobist: https://strobist.blogspot.com/2006/03/lighting-101.html
Oh, Strobist wrote this about wink units: https://strobist.blogspot.com/2014/09/choosing-lights.html
Yep, flash would give meliorate photos than iso 8000, but it needs to be affordable and simple as well. Bought a meaty m43 photographic camera for a reason.
Definitely. The vast majority of my wink apply was at abode, taking photos of kids. In that situation, size/bulk wasn't an issue for me. When traveling, I rarely use flash.
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